There is no comparison between the Palestinian's deliberate killing of unarmed civilians and Israel's retaliatory steps

I have just sent an email to the moderator of a discussion group I participate in, strongly condemning his comparison of the murders of unarmed Israeli civilians with Israel's retaliatory steps.

The Palestinians deliberately kill unarmed Israeli civilians, including babies and children. Let there be no mistake about it: their goal is to kill and injure as many Israelis and Jews as possible. They are racist murderers whose goal is to destroy Israel. The only difference between Arafat and the Islamic Jihad/Hamas is that the later wish for an Islamic Palestinian State to replace Israel, while Arafatís groups donít incorporate the religious element (they still wish for Israelís destruction).

On the other hand, we have Israelís army whose only goal is to stop the above barbaric excuses for human beings from killing kids and the elderly. They specifically target armed Palestinian men who are part of the Islamic Jihad, the Hamas and Arafatís terrorist groups such as the Al-Aksa brigades. Never, however, have civilians Ė men, women, or children Ė been the deliberate targets of these actions. Never were civilians harmed as part of an IDF military goal.

I copy my full response below.





-----Original Message-----
From: David Melle [mailto:news@factsofisrael.com]
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:36 AM
To: x
Subject: [x] Palestinian terrorists deliberately target unarmed Israeli civilians (was 'New to the List')

Hello,

First Iíd like to say that as far as moderators go, Francis is very fair. He has not stopped me from posting my views on many of the issues at hand, and I thank him for that. He also has the right to his opinions.

That said, Iíd like to disagree with his latest opinion:

[Francis writes:]

"As far as Israel under Sharon is concerned I make no apologies for my views.[Ö] It is one thing for a terrorist to perpetrate an atrocity and those involved should be brought to justice and dealt within the law, but another thing for a Govt. with all the resources behind to act like a bulldozer moving earth on a construction site."

Your comparison is completely out of touch with reality. On the one hand we have the Islamic Jihad, the Hamas, and Arafatís own terrorist groups that are responsible for dozens of homicide/suicide bombings against Israelis in the last 18 months. For a list of all Palestinian homicide/suicide bombings see the FactsOfIsrael.com Palestine page - http://www.factsofisrael.com/palestine2.html )

The Palestinians deliberately kill unarmed Israeli civilians, including babies and children. Let there be no mistake about it: their goal is to kill and injure as many Israelis and Jews as possible. They are racist murderers whose goal is to destroy Israel. The only difference between Arafat and the Islamic Jihad/Hamas is that the later wish for an Islamic Palestinian State to replace Israel, while Arafatís groups donít incorporate the religious element (they still wish for Israelís destruction).

On the other hand, we have Israelís army whose only goal is to stop the above barbaric excuses for human beings from killing kids and the elderly. They specifically target armed Palestinian men who are part of the Islamic Jihad, the Hamas and Arafatís terrorist groups such as the Al-Aksa brigades. Never, however, have civilians Ė men, women, or children Ė been the deliberate targets of these actions. Never were civilians harmed as part of an IDF military goal.

Sometimes Palestinian civilians are hurt or killed by mistake, at which point the Israeli army and government will deeply apologize. Israel has paid over 300 Million shekels (80 million dollars) to the families of Palestinians that were killed or hurt as described above. These mistakes are also deeply criticized in Israeli society and many Israeli reservists (people like you and me) do their utmost to make sure they donít happen, even when their lives are in danger.

[Francis writes:]

"I made it clear in a mail on this list during the time of Jenin when I contrasted the Isreali govtís method of dealing with a problem with that of the British Govt. in Northern Ireland."

Itís funny that you mention the British.

In 1944, the English government ordered the bombardment of the Gestapo headquarters in Copenhagen. The British Air Force made a mistake and bombarded a childrenís hospital instead. 86 children were killed.

[Francis writes:]

"I strongly believe that a democratic state even under duress should not allow itself to act with revenge in mind."

Do I call what happened to the 86 children from Copenhagen ďa democratic state acting with revenge in mindĒ or ďa Govt. with all the resources behind acting like a bulldozer moving earth on a construction siteĒ?

No, I donít. I call it a mistake, a tragedy, and Iím sorry it happened. Israel is not acting out of revenge, but its citizens and its government do not wish to simply die without fighting. We Jews have already done that during the Holocaust, and weíll do what we can to stop a second one from happening.

Francis, if you make me choose between the following options:

1) My 12-year-old niece from Tel-Aviv being blown up to pieces by a Palestinian from the Islamic Jihad. My government doing nothing to stop my other niece from being killed as well.
2) The Palestinian murderer from above being arrested and/or killed before he kills my niece. This involves a small probability of Palestinian civilians getting hurt by mistake.

It is clear I will choose number 2, the same way the British chose to bombard the Gestapo in 1944.

Hereís a site that describes the mistake committed by the British where 86 children were killed:

British Peace Pledge Union
http://www.ppu.org.uk/learn/infodocs/
nvww2/ww2_nonviolence_denmark2.html

You might also want to check:

Moral Equivalency?
http://www.factsofisrael.com/load.php?p=/blog/archives/000011.html

Bye,

David Melle
dmelle@FactsOfIsrael.com
http://www.factsofisrael.com/
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-----Original Message-----
From: francis
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:16 PM
To: x
Subject: RE: [x] New to the List

Joe,

I have opinions just like any other on this list as I am here to discuss International matters which also include the Middle East. As a list manager I try to be as even handed as I can and as you know I allow free discussion from all sides of any issue without hinderance. That is why I felt it right to approve David Melle for this list to provide a balanced view of Israel since at the time that there were many one sided views against Israel.

That does not mean I do not have an opinion which in this case is very simple to understand. I stand for a free Palestine State that should be allowed to be born, mature in peace and exist peacefully next to the state of Israel I also STRONGLY CONDEMN all the atrocities that the extremists on both sides encourage or perpertrate to gain their goals.

As far as Israel under Sharon is concerned I make no apologies for my views. I made it clear in a mail on this list during the time of Jenin when I contrasted the Isreali govtís method of dealing with a problem with that of the British Govt. in Northern Ireland. I strongly believe that a democratic state even under duress should not allow itself to act with revenge in mind. It is one thing for a terrorist to perpetrate an atrocity and those involved should be brought to justice and dealt within the law, but another thing for a Govt. with all the resources behind to act like a bulldozer moving earth on a construction site. No government can bury the troubles and injustices that exist. Just like a roadbuilder burying problems under the road, they have a habit of resurfacing after a while.

Hoping for more discussion, I hope you also have some views impartial or otherwise to put forward on this matter.

Francis

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