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Racist sends me hate message and in less than 24 hours loses Internet access

A few days ago I wrote a document called "Stop the Hate", a technical tutorial to trace the origin of hate messages. This tutorial can show you how to trace back any hate email you might receive to a specific computer, and how you can get an official investigation started to stop the sender of the message from continuing to spread his hate (Click here to get the "Stop the Hate" tutorial for free).

Well, following my own advice, I decided to trace back a hate message I received and in less than 24 hours the sender of the hate message had his Internet privileges suspended. Here's how I did it:

On Friday 11/15/2002, I received the following message:

From: Travis Hahn [thahn@email.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:18 PM To: remarks@factsofisrael.com Subject: Israel

I just wanted to write and say that i hate Jews because they are cowards and nothing more than penny snatching rats and roaches.

Jews are vermon they bring bloodshed and toil wherever they are weather that be Europe or Palestine or New York. I hate the Jews to a point I cant describe I want to beat you with pipes and make you suffer. I wanna make you feel the pain that you inflicted on the world.

What kind of cowardly people stand by and watch as there own kind is being exterminated? Thats right the Jews and only the Jews.

Your money cant buy you salvation, you killed Jesus, and stole the land of Palestine. You will all pay, no matter how much money you greedly worthless fucks have it can't save you from god.

That land was stolen, stolen, and the only reason the Jews have Israel is because no one else on the planet wants them. Thats why the US and Britain fight for Israel, because we dont want dirty smelly Jews living amongst us.

Hipocrits to, you bitch about Hitler and then treat the Palestinians the same way.

I hope one day you are all pushed into the ocean in a massive slaughter of the most retched people on earth.”

Not only is the guy a racist, but he has some serious problems with his spellchecker.

After tracing back the message, I found out it was sent from a computer belonging to the University of Maine. The folks at the University of Maine were extremely helpful and after checking their logs, they told me the message was sent from a public library in Bath, ME. Apparently, the University of Maine serves as the ISP for most of the public libraries in ME.

I then contacted the Patten Free Library in Bath, ME and forwarded them all of the information I had, including the racist's name (Travis Hahn, thahn@email.com), all of my logs, and the answer I received from the University of Maine.

The kind folks at the Patten Free library then responded with the following:

Dear Mr. Melle,

Unfortunately, Mr. Hahn did use one of our public Internet computers to send the message you received. He has violated our accpetable use policy and will lose his Internet privileges.

It is impossible to explain or compensate for what some of our users do with our computers and Internet connections. The Patten Free Library, like the vast majority of American public libraries, does not monitor what our users access or send - just as we do not monitor what they read, view or listen to.

However, I very much appreciate the fact that you contacted us so that we can enforce our policy and prevent that specific member of the public from utilizing our resources. On behalf of this library, I apolgize for this disturbing episode.

Sincerely,

Dean Corner
Reference Librarian
Patten Free Library
33 Summer St.
Bath, ME 04530

I'd like to publicly show my appreciation for the way the University of Maine and the Patten Free Library have handled this issue. In less than 24 hours they responded to my inquiries and took a stand on a delicate issue. I applaud them for rejecting the racist remarks from above and making Mr. Hahn understand that there are consequences for spitting such hate.

If you'd like to see how I was able to trace the message back, and what exact logs and messages I sent to the University of Maine and to the Patten Free Library, see below.

How a dumb racist lost his Internet privileges
David Melle, November 2002

Below I post all of the messages that resulted in Mr. Hahn lossing his Internet privileges at the Patten Free Library in Bath, ME. The messages are posted in chronological order.

On Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:18 PM, I receive the followingf hate message:

From: Travis Hahn [thahn@email.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:18 PM To: remarks@factsofisrael.com Subject: Israel

I just wanted to write and say that i hate Jews because they are cowards and nothing more than penny snatching rats and roaches.

Jews are vermon they bring bloodshed and toil wherever they are weather that be Europe or Palestine or New York.

I hate the Jews to a point I cant describe I want to beat you with pipes and make you suffer. I wanna make you feel the pain that you inflicted on the world.

What kind of cowardly people stand by and watch as there own kind is being exterminated? Thats right the Jews and only the Jews.

Your money cant buy you salvation, you killed Jesus, and stole the land of Palestine. You will all pay, no matter how much money you greedly worthless fucks have it can't save you from god.

That land was stolen, stolen, and the only reason the Jews have Israel is because no one else on the planet wants them. Thats why the US and Britain fight for Israel, because we dont want dirty smelly Jews living amongst us.

Hipocrits to, you bitch about Hitler and then treat the Palestinians the same way.

I hope one day you are all pushed into the ocean in a massive slaughter of the most retched people on earth.

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On Friday 11/15/2002 12:20 AM, I sent the following message to the University of Maine:

From: David Melle [mailto:dmelle@factsofisrael.com] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:20 AM To: ***@maine.edu Cc: ***@maine.edu Subject: Racist Message sent from computer belonging to the University of Maine

Hello,

My name is David Melle and I manage a website at www.FactsOfIsrael.com. It's basically a site that gives a context to the conflict in the Middle East, including the history of Israel, maps of the region, stats and more.

This afternoon, one of your users, sent me the message below:

“From: Travis Hahn [thahn@email.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:18 PM
To: remarks@factsofisrael.com
Subject: Israel

I just wanted to write and say that i hate Jews because they are cowards and nothing more than penny snatching rats and roaches.

Jews are vermon they bring bloodshed and toil wherever they are weather that be Europe or Palestine or New York.

I hate the Jews to a point I cant describe I want to beat you with pipes and make you suffer. I wanna make you feel the pain that you inflicted on the world.

What kind of cowardly people stand by and watch as there own kind is being exterminated? Thats right the Jews and only the Jews.

Your money cant buy you salvation, you killed Jesus, and stole the land of Palestine. You will all pay, no matter how much money you greedly worthless fucks have it can't save you from god.

That land was stolen, stolen, and the only reason the Jews have Israel is because no one else on the planet wants them. Thats why the US and Britain fight for Israel, because we dont want dirty smelly Jews living amongst us.

Hipocrits to, you bitch about Hitler and then treat the Palestinians the same way.

I hope one day you are all pushed into the ocean in a massive slaughter of the most retched people on earth.”


To my surprise, after checking the mail headers, I have traced back the hate message to a computer that belongs to the University of Maine. The originating IP address is:

209.222.212.42

and by doing a reverse DNS I see it corresponds to the computer named:

CE-P-UNET.unet.maine.edu

Furthermore, again checking the mail headers of the hate message, I see that the return email address is thahn@email.com and the name is “Travis Hahn”. Although the return name and email address are probably false, the IP address is not and it definitely corresponds to a computer belonging to the University of Maine.

In any case, I have done a bit more research on “Travis Hahn” simply to provide you with additional information. I have found the following page:

http://www.shma.com/phorum/
read.php3?num=12&id=12&loc=4&thread=4


where someone named “Travis Hahn” wrote some additional derogatory comments on Jews:

“Author: Travis Hahn (dialin135-7.pwm.neonline.net)
mailto:big_l_mvp@yahoo.com?subject=RE: Jewish People's Fund
Date: 06-22-2002 15:23

No nothing should be given back to the Jews. Nothing, no money, no property, no valuables, nothing. The Jews have stolen enough land, valuables, and lives in Palestine to last them the rest of their pathetic greedy existance. The Jews are greedy so we should not be giving them any money, 4 billion is given to Israel every year by the US anyways. What more do these people want. Nothing should be given to them until the land they squatted on is given back.

FREE THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE”


I have also found a “Travis Hahn” personal page with a picture at:

http://web.nmsu.edu/
~thahn/page4.htm


The person who sent me the original hate message had a couple of references to “God” – see above:

Your money cant buy you salvation, you killed Jesus, and stole the land of Palestine. You will all pay, no matter how much money you greedly worthless fucks have it can't save you from god.

The Travis Hahn from the above personal page says:

I am a Christian and believe that Jesus, the son of God, came to Earth and lived the perfect life, then dies for my sins so that I may have eternal life.

Being a Christian I like to fellowship with other Christians, I am involved in Campus Crusade for Christ here is the national page. And also NMSU Crusade page

www.uscm.org
www.nmsucrusade.com


And there’s a picture of him at:

http://web.nmsu.edu/~thahn/page4.htm

Again, the above pages and links to “Travis Hahn” are provided as additional information. The email address and name are probably not real, but the IP address is. In any case, if you have a student named “Travis Hahn”, who looks like the student in the picture mentioned above, and who accessed a computer named CE-P-UNET.unet.maine.edu at the time the message was sent, we have a match.

I have a few questions:

• Why does the University of Maine allow such racist messages to be sent from its servers?
• Do you have a usage policy that prohibits such hate mail?
• Is Mr. Hahn a student of the University or one of its employees?
• Has Mr. Hahn hacked into one of your servers and is using the University of Maine’s resources to spread his racist messages?
• What measures will you take to discourage students and staff from sending such hate mail?

Please find included:

1) The file Hate-Message-from-209.222.212.42
-Maine-University.txt
– the original hate message as I’ve received it.
2) The file Hate-Message-from-209.222.212.42
-Maine-University-Email-Headers.txt
– the exact mail headers as I’ve received it. Notice the extended header: X-Originating-Ip: 209.222.212.42
3) The file TraceRoute-209.222.212.42.log – a trace route from my computer to the computer where the hate message originated at the University of Maine: CE-P-UNET.unet.maine.edu [209.222.212.42]
4) The file Hate-Message-from-Travis-Hahn-MoreInfo.txt – links and additional research on Mr. “Travis Hahn”.
5) The file Travis-Hahn.jpg – a picture of Mr. Travis Hahn. Please note that this might not be the person who sent the hate message; this is provided simply as additional information (see above).
6) The file FactsOfIsrael.com-209.222.212.42.log – my Apache web server logs showing all of the instances that someone from the University of Maine with the IP address 209.222.212.42 accessed FactsOfIsrael.com.

I apologize for sending this message to multiple recipients, but it was not clear who I should send this information to. Please let me know the results of your investigation and do not hesitate to contact me if you have any additional questions or remarks.

Thank for your time,

David Melle
dmelle@factsofisrael.com

On Friday 11/15/2002 at 8:19 AM I received the following response from the University of Maine:

David,

The host that you list in your e-mail is one of our web caches. With the information you provided, we searched the logs and found that the posting most likely came from Patten Free Library in Bath, ME. (We act as the ISP for most of the public libraries in the State.)

In the cache logs we found an entry that shows user thahn@email.com active on gates1.patten.lib.me.us (169.244.47.194) at ~ Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:34:44 GMT = 18:34:44 EST -5. This host is most likely one of their public access PCs.

You will have to contact the library directly if you would like to pursue this issue farther.

Jeff
Manager of Network Operations
University Network - UNET
University of Maine System

On Friday 11/15/2002 at 9:35 AM, I sent the following to the Patten Free Library in Bath, ME:

From: David Melle [mailto:dmelle@factsofisrael.com] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:35 AM To: ***@patten.lib.me.us Cc: ***@MAINE.EDU Subject: Racist Message sent from computer belonging to the Patten Free Library

Hello,

My name is David Melle and I manage a website at www.FactsOfIsrael.com. It's basically a site that gives a context to the conflict in the Middle East, including the history of Israel, maps of the region, stats and more.

Yesterday, one of your users, sent me the message below:

“From: Travis Hahn [thahn@email.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:18 PM
To: remarks@factsofisrael.com
Subject: Israel

I just wanted to write and say that i hate Jews because they are cowards and nothing more than penny snatching rats and roaches.

Jews are vermon they bring bloodshed and toil wherever they are weather that be Europe or Palestine or New York. I hate the Jews to a point I cant describe I want to beat you with pipes and make you suffer. I wanna make you feel the pain that you inflicted on the world.

What kind of cowardly people stand by and watch as there own kind is being exterminated? Thats right the Jews and only the Jews.

Your money cant buy you salvation, you killed Jesus, and stole the land of Palestine. You will all pay, no matter how much money you greedly worthless fucks have it can't save you from god.

That land was stolen, stolen, and the only reason the Jews have Israel is because no one else on the planet wants them. Thats why the US and Britain fight for Israel, because we dont want dirty smelly Jews living amongst us.

Hipocrits to, you bitch about Hitler and then treat the Palestinians the same way.

I hope one day you are all pushed into the ocean in a massive slaughter of the most retched people on earth.”

I traced the above hate message to a computer belonging to the University of Maine. After sending them a message, they responded they traced back the message to a computer belonging to the Patten Free Library, probably one of your terminals with Internet access. See below for the full thread - I also include the logs and IP traces as attachments (my original message to the U. Of Maine in HTML format is the file Attach0.htm).

I see you have an Internet usage policy at:
http://www.patten.lib.me.us/
internetpolicy.html

One of the items under "Responsibilities of Users" is:

Unacceptable Uses Of Computers Include But Are Not Limited To:
* Invading the privacy of, harassing, libeling or slandering others

I therefore request that an investigation be started to determine who sent the message and to hold him/her accountable for their acts.

I have to ask the Patten Free Library the same question I asked the kind folks from the University of Maine:

* Why does the Patten Free Library allow such racist messages to
be sent from its servers?
* Is Mr. Hahn registered as one of your users?
* Has Mr. Hahn hacked into one of your servers and is using the Patten Free Library's resources to spread his racist messages?
* What measures will you take to discourage Mr. Hahn and all of your other users from sending such hate mail?

I carbon copy Jeff *, the manager of Network Operations from the University of Maine, who was kind enough to check his logs and follow up on this issue.

Thanks for your help,

David Melle
dmelle@factsofisrael.com

On Friday 11/15/2002 at 11:06 AM, I received the following response from the great folks at the Patten Free Library in Bath, ME:

Dear Mr. Melle,

Unfortunately, Mr. Hahn did use one of our public Internet computers to send the message you received. He has violated our accpetable use policy and will lose his Internet privileges.

It is impossible to explain or compensate for what some of our users do with our computers and Internet connections. The Patten Free Library, like the vast majority of American public libraries, does not monitor what our users access or send - just as we do not monitor what they read, view or listen to.

However, I very much appreciate the fact that you contacted us so that we can enforce our policy and prevent that specific member of the public from utilizing our resources. On behalf of this library, I apolgize for this disturbing episode.

Sincerely,

Dean Corner
Reference Librarian
Patten Free Library
33 Summer St.
Bath, ME 04530

I have received a certain number of hate messages, including many from France and Moroco. I have tried to contact French and Morocon companies and ISPs and have never even received an answer.

It took the University of Maine and the Patten Free Library less than 24 hours to check their logs, check their usage policy, and remove Mr. Hahn's Internet privileges.

I love America.


Update 1:

On 3/9/2004, I received the following email from someone who says he's Travis Hahn. Please note that there's no way for me to verify whether Mr. Hahn is really honest about his apology or whether this is indeed even written by Mr. Hahn.

From: Travis Hahn [mailto:thahn@email.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:49 PM
IP Address: 65.56.235.143, Location: Buffalo, NY
To: ******@factsofisrael.com
Subject: I Apologize for Acting like an Animal


Dear Sir,

I am writting you to apologize for my animalistic behavior and the sickness that I impossed on your website a few years ago. I have felt ashamed at myself, and devalued myself for a long time because of the horrible, inhuman, abomidable things I said, now I want to rectify my injustice, I look back on that sick twisted little excuse for a boy that I was and want to you assure you that lost soul has no place in the mind and spirit of the adult I have become.

It was I who wrote some very hateful and evil messages to you in late 2002 and I am coming to you as a man that has admitted and wants to rectify his past mistakes. What you saw in that message was not me, it was a selfish, a souless, a lost human being who had become consumed by something so sick and twisted that still a day does not pass without me living in shame.

This happened during a time when I was lost and heartbroken and filled with anger after some personal tragedies involving September 11th.

Furthermore I was a young kid, barely 19 when this incident occured, surely I know that such ignorant and hurtful worldviews could only be possessed by a child or someone stuck in the mind of a child. It happened during a time when I was vulnerable, when I wanted to know why and who I could blame. I got mixed up into some pretty dark and evil thoaghts, and I feel that some people took advantage of me while I was in the vulnerable state and their beliefs I inherited and it consumed my soul for some time.

I have recieved death threats at my house from this incident, and from my name being put on your webpage, but even before these episodes I realized how much hurt I was causing people. How much pain and frustration my actions were causing, and how hatred was transforming me into an animal without compassion. I want to break the cycle of hate because hatred does act the same way a row of dominoes does, I come to you with open arms, as a friend and as a man who wants to right his past injustices.

Please don't group me into the catagory of histories greatest pigs and despots. My heart sinks and I want to cry knowing that I was at one time such a sick and metally disturbed individual but more than that it hurts me knowing the suffering and deep pain I caused you and many others. I don't want to be that person anymore. Not long after I was banned from the library I started to recognize all the people I had hurt, I had shamed my family and myself. I had transformed into a person that I grew up swearing I would never become, and when I became that hurtful bigot I became nothing, what was to distinguish my soul from that of a rat or a shark?

I don't know what it was but something changed me and woke me up to the realities of the world, of history, and that my internal thoaghts were projecting a terrible image of me and also my family that was not true at all.

I am grown now, and no longer cling to such simplistic and hurtful ideals. I am a new man who has gained a new appreciation for life and a new love for my fellow man. I beg of you to realize me as I am today, and not that confused, scared, twisted little kid who did those awful things a few years ago.

I know what I have done to you, how I have broaght pain to you that no human should have to feel, I just don't know how I could ever apologize enough to you sir. I fear that the damage I caused is unfixable in a way, but I just want to let you know that never again will I allow myself to inflict such brutality and thoaghtlessness on another one of my brothers.

I apologize sir, for all the pain I caused you and others as well. Although a simple apology may not do much I just wanted you to know that I am a changed man from all of this. Thank you for your time sir, and if there is anything I can do in the future to lend a hand or to help or to just talk I would be most happy to do so.
Sincerely,

Travis Hahn


Update 2:

I had decided not to post Mr. Hahn's "apology" from above since I couldn't verify the origin of the message and I couldn't be sure that he was sincere.

Today, 11/15/2004, someone claiming to be Mr. Hahn posted a comment on this thread. It is written in the same style as the previous "apology", so this tends to confirm that the previous message wasn't sincere.

Author: Travis Hahn
IP Address: 130.111.98.58, Location: University of Maine
Email: colonel_jesup88@hotmail.com

Comment:

This is a load of trash...I never wrote this crap...I'm a quarter Jewish for god sakes! I'm majoring in Jewish studies, even my girlfriend is Jewish...as if any of this mattered the point is these examples only provide evidence of how truly rediculous this all is...

My email account was in fact tapped into by some David Duke sponsored host and I had the account canceled a long time ago...I've been set up to be depicted as something that I am most certainly not...

It really pisses me off that nazi piglets are aloud to go around defaming me and then to have people, even people in my own community, believe this...anyone who truly knows me knows that I spit on the likes of racist scum such as this.

Shame on any of you that come on here saying that "you know me" and that you "believe I could have done this"...if you actually knew me and took the time to give me a fair shake by at least approaching me you would know that it breaks my heart to be defamed in this manner...really I can tolerate alot, but being called a Nazi bigot is one thing I refuse to have thrown at me.

I've resolved this matter with the Attourney General of the state of Maine who has in fact acknowledged that I had absolutely nothing to do with this.

Never the less I have been the victim of death threats, by both mail and phone, repeatedly over the past few years, and now I know why...this webpage has unashamably indicted me in a crime which I never even committed...thank you for fuelling the same hatred which you claim to despise.

For what its worth I just want to try and clear my name from this, what for me at least, has been a tragedy...I don't deserve this but the hatred I have been on the recieving end of lets me know that whatever sins I have committed have already been paid for and then some...Really I just wan't people, especially those who don't know or claim to know who I am, that this is not me and that my account had in fact been violated.

I know this really doesn't matter since to alot of you I'm already guilty but for the sincere and honest people out there I hope this makes a difference.

Sincerely,

Travis Hahn


Update 3:

It has been over two years since the racist bastard sent me the hate mail, but today (2/11/2005) I received three messages from different IP address asking me to remove "the picture".

All three messages were traced back to New Mexico: two from ISPs in New Mexico (alter.net and leaco.net) and one from New Mexico State University.

This is really strange: I have no pictures of "Travis Hahn" on my site (just read everything above and you'll find no pictures), so why am I being asked to remove "the picture"? I did link to an external site with a picture from a Travis Hahn from New Mexico State University (http://web.nmsu.edu/
~thahn/page4.htm
), but I clearly state that he might not be the Travis Hahn who sent me the hate mail. Why would he be sending so many messages asking me to remove "the picture"?

In any case, here are the messages I received today from three different IP addresses (this might be the same person using three different Internet Service Providers, or the guy just asked a couple of his friends to send me messages):

Author: havoc IP Address: 65.197.92.5, One leap before leaco-gw.customer.alter.net (www.alter.net redirects to www.mci.com, New Mexico) Email: havoc@harrisdev.com

The pictures you have are of A Travis Hahn, but not THE Travis Hahn who wrote the original offensive letter. It is a long way from Maine to New Mexico. The Travis Hahn in your photos is my cousin, and has never lived in Main. The University of New Mexico is the only school he has attended.

You should probably be more thorough in your fact checking before you start pursuing individuals by name only.

Author: Principal Hahn
IP Address: 65.197.94.134, Two leaps before host124.leaco.net (http://www. , Lea County, New Mexico)
Email: ahahn@eunice.org

The picture on your web page is not the Travis Hahn from Maine who wrote the hate mail. Please remove the picture at once. We are exploring legal avenues to stop the association of this picture with the transcript of the hate mail you received. I have written you personally, but I suspect you want this wider audience, so I am also writing you here to increase your accountability.

Author: travis w. hahn
IP Address: 128.123.86.93, asnmsu-001.nmsu.edu (http://www.nmsu.edu/, New Mexico State University)
Email: travis25@gmail.com

Ok i don't know the other travis, and i resent absolutely NONE! of his values! i am really sorry that someone with my name would say such things! i hve emailed him and asked him to take the link to my web page of his web site.

i go to school at new mexico state unveristy, in las cruces nm. and i am not the same person as the hate mail travis, i do not know who he is or why he would connect me to himself.
thank you for your time, and hopefully you will understand. please email any questions to my gmail account. thanks again.
Travis W. Hahn


Posted by David Melle at November 16, 2002 11:58 PM
Comments

Awesome!

Posted by: Asparagirl on December 11, 2002 09:45 PM

I am a
(1)God fearing American (Methodist)
(2)Female
(3)Daughter, sister, wife, and mother.
(4)I married a Jewish man
(5) I have black, white, American, German, Jewish, Islamic, English, French, Portuguese, Indian and Swedish friends.

I am also proud to be an American, because there nowhere else can I freely practice my religion, marry whom I choose, and say what I think.

People need to get "real" before they start spouting off garbage such as this Hahn character.

However, by choosing to live in America, he does have the "right to free speech." Fortunately for those of us who highly disagree with his message, you were able to have him barred from the use of a public computer. Shalom and God Bless.

Posted by: Denise on February 26, 2003 09:30 AM

Just to let you know, I live in the bath area and know who travis hahn is and the webpage or atleast the image is not of him. I do belive that it could have really been him though. Thanks

Posted by: anonymous on April 23, 2004 04:33 PM

I suppose having people like this in the world makes it more of a colorful place or something like that. Isn't it telling that virtually everyone who exhibits outward signs of racial hatred are also suffering from some sort of apparent mental illness? I've been looking at so many posts like this in various places, they're almost amusing in some sick way. It's just surreal that there are people who can hate others so intensely for absolutely no reason. Anyway, keep up the good work and may the racists wither away.

Posted by: Michael Beinhorn on February 11, 2005 03:05 AM

I know the guy in the photo - he is now living in the dallas/ft. worth area (2006). He does have a Jewish/Hebrew tattoo on his left calf.

Posted by: on April 14, 2006 07:42 AM

>>

Please can you use the word SOME to describe these Arabs/Muslims. I am a Muslim and we don't ALL think like these people. Islam is against anti-semitism. I treat people how I find them. There is good and bad in every walk of life. What we all need is more peaceful interfaith dialogue which involves conversation and not conversion. It is difficult communicating with people when both sides are suspicious of each other motives. We all human beings after all and most of us just want to get on with our lives. Thank you.

Posted by: Zarina on May 6, 2006 01:15 PM

It's sad but even up in Maine this sort of thing happens; in fact Maine was were the KKK first marched in "daylight hours". A lot of people I grew up with in Maine seemed to put on a terrific mask on being liberal and open minded to minorities but behind closed doors these same Mainers make racial comments that are only full of hate. People I've worked with in Maine are very passive-aggressive to minorities. I guess that is why hate crime is more noticable in the south because they resort to more violence but some states like Maine fly under the radar because they are very covert and fly under the radar with bigotry and racisum. The University of Maine system is also full of such people, they often praise a "token" minority to prove how open minded they all are but in general are not very freindly to people of color, the same with the gay community, people act like they are open minded and nice but are very passive-aggressive up in Maine toward gays as well as minorities. But I guess that is everyone still accross the country, just some states like Maine are very crafty about it.

Posted by: David on August 24, 2008 11:16 AM
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